Episode Transcript: #1736 - Tristan Harris & Daniel Schmachtenberger
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Gentlemen, thank you for being here.
I keep doing these podcasts where I just talk to people, so please introduce yourself and
tell people what you do.
I am Tristan Harris and came on this show about a year ago after the social dilemma came out
that's probably where most people know me.
It used to be a design ethicist at Google setting how do you ethically influence people's attention
and thoughts and behaviors.
I really enjoyed the conversation last year.
The reason that today I'm here with Daniel Schmockenberger, who's really a person I've learned so much
from the last few years and why I thought it would be a good through line, is that the issues of social media,
which I know we're going to talk about today, are connected to a number of other issues that are going wrong in society
that are all interconnected.
I've learned a tremendous amount from Daniel and I thought it would help really clarify some of these issues for everyone.
Thank you, Daniel. Thanks for coming aboard.
Thanks for having me here.
What a daunting task, how to ethically influence people.
What a weird thing that this industry that didn't exist 20 years ago has such a...
Think about life on earth and then 20 years ago all of a sudden this social media thing evolves