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#2183 - Norman Ohler

187 minutesEpisode #2183

Norman Ohler is an author and screenwriter whose books include "Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany," "The Bohemians: The Lovers Who Led Germany's Resistance Against the Nazis," and "Tripped: Nazi Germany, The CIA and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age."

www.normanohler.de

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Key Takeaways

Nazis used drugs extensively to manipulate their military efforts.

Understanding this can reshape narratives about drug use in wartime.

The exploration of psychedelic substances by the Nazis is largely undocumented.

This opens new avenues for historical research and understanding of drug history.

The shift from farming rye to Urgot production changed agricultural practices.

This highlights how economic factors can alter food production and safety.

Hofmann’s self-experimentation with LSD opened new avenues in mental health treatment.

This suggests a need for reevaluation of psychedelic substances in modern medicine.

LSD may help stimulate brain receptors damaged by Alzheimer's.

This could lead to novel treatments for a growing dementia crisis.

Watch the full episode of #2183 - Norman Ohler.

Episode Timestamps

  • Exploring the Connection Between Nazis and Psychedelics

    • Nazis were early adopters of methamphetamine to enhance soldier performance.
    • Research revealed unexpected Nazi interest in psychedelics for experimentation.
    • Historical archives reveal the disturbing drug use practices of the Third Reich.
  • The Origins of LSD and Its Unexpected Journey

    • Urgot, a poisonous fungus, transformed Swiss agriculture in the Middle Ages.
    • Albert Hofmann’s experiments with LSD led to its medical exploration and cultural impact.
    • Sandoz's creation of an 'intoxication room' for LSD experimentation highlights its controversial legacy.
  • Exploring the Potential of LSD in Alzheimer's Treatment

    • Research suggests LSD could stimulate receptors affected by Alzheimer's disease.
    • Legal status of LSD hinders potential studies despite promising anecdotal evidence.
    • The growing Alzheimer's epidemic necessitates innovative approaches to treatment and prevention.
  • The Impact of Harry J. Anslinger on Cannabis Legislation

    • Harry J. Anslinger manipulated cannabis perception for political gain and racial bias.
    • The demonization of cannabis was influenced by corporate interests and propaganda.
    • Hemp's potential as a sustainable resource was largely suppressed due to industry competition.
  • Exploring the Role of Psychedelics in Human Evolution

    • Psychedelics may have played a significant role in human cognitive evolution.
    • Legal and societal perceptions of drugs often overlook their historical context and use.
    • Neuroplasticity and psychedelics are linked to potential therapeutic effects on depression.
  • Exploring the Historical Use of LSD and Its Controversies

    • LSD is discussed as a non-addictive drug with potential benefits.
    • Nazi Germany's interest in LSD for mind control and intelligence extraction is examined.
    • The conversation reflects on the legacy of LSD in modern pharmaceutical research.
  • Exploring the Controversial MK-Ultra LSD Experiments

    • MK-Ultra was a CIA program exploring LSD as a potential mind control weapon.
    • Sidney Gottlieb played a key role in the unethical testing of LSD.
    • The program's legacy includes significant ethical issues and societal impacts.
  • Impact of Psychedelics and Cultural Shifts on Society

    • Psychedelics like LSD played a significant role in counterculture movements.
    • The 1960s and 1970s marked a radical change in American society and creativity.
    • Global issues require cooperative solutions, transcending national boundaries and conflicts.
  • Exploring the Benefits of Psychedelics in Society

    • Psychedelics have historical significance and potential for societal healing.
    • Current laws create barriers to the exploration of psychedelics' benefits.
    • A structured approach to psychedelic use could promote consciousness advancement.
  • The Evolution of Podcasting and Its Impact on Discourse

    • Podcasts are creating spaces for honest discourse away from mainstream media.
    • The rise of intellectual curiosity in long-form discussions is notable.
    • Historical context reveals how propaganda shapes public perception through media.
  • The Role of Methamphetamine in Nazi Germany's Military Strategy

    • Methamphetamine significantly enhanced soldier performance during World War II.
    • German military utilized drugs to combat fatigue and boost efficiency.
    • Historical relevance of drug use in warfare has been largely overlooked.
  • The Role of Methamphetamine in Warfare and Modern Conflicts

    • Methamphetamine was used extensively by Nazi Germany during World War II.
    • Current conflicts see similar use of stimulants by combatants for performance enhancement.
    • Legal drugs like Adderall highlight societal contradictions regarding amphetamine use.
  • Exploration of Drug Use and Creativity in Historical Context

    • Amphetamines can enhance creativity but may lead to poor self-criticism.
    • Historical figures like Hitler used drugs for performance enhancement.
    • The discussion highlights the complex relationship between drug dosage and productivity.
  • Hitler's Drug Use and Medical Treatment During WWII

    • Hitler's personal physician Morel administered various treatments throughout his health decline.
    • The use of methamphetamines played a crucial role in German soldiers' combat effectiveness.
    • Hitler's deteriorating health influenced military decisions and strategies during the war.
  • Hitler's Drug Addiction and Its Impact on World War II

    • Hitler's use of Eukodal, an opioid, affected his leadership during the war.
    • The pharmaceutical industry, specifically Merck, played a role in drug supply.
    • Hitler's addiction contributed to poor decision-making and the war's outcome.
  • Exploring the Psychological Effects of Substances on Historical Figures

    • Discussion on Hitler's sugar cravings and their psychological implications.
    • JFK's use of amphetamines and LSD raises questions about leadership and mental health.
    • Connections drawn between historical figures and their substance use experiences.

People Mentioned

Joe Rogan

Podcast Host

Guest

Historian and Author

Albert Hofmann

Chemist, Discoverer of LSD

Father of the speaker

Former judge, Caregiver

Harry J. Anslinger

Former Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics

William Randolph Hearst

Newspaper Publisher

+1 more

Dennis McKenna

Researcher, Psychedelic Advocate

Richard Kuhn

Nobel Prize-winning chemist, Nazi biochemist

+3 more

Albert Hoffman

Chemist, LSD discoverer

Sidney Gottlieb

CIA Chief of the MK-Ultra Project

Ken Kesey

Author, Counterculture Figure

Anthony Bourdain

Chef, Author, Media Personality

Graham Hancock

Author, Researcher

Alex

DJ, Antique dealer

Hitler

Leader of Nazi Germany, Political leader

+44 more

Theodor Morel

Personal physician to Adolf Hitler, Personal physician to Hitler

Deborah Mache

Researcher at University of Miami

Adolf Hitler

Führer of Nazi Germany, Historical leader

Mussolini

Leader of Fascist Italy

+4 more

Morell

Hitler's personal physician

+9 more

John F. Kennedy

U.S. President

Timothy Leary

Psychologist, LSD advocate

Mary Pinchot

Socialite, rumored lover of JFK

+2 more

Places Mentioned

Dachau

Concentration Camp Memorial

+5 more

Basel, Switzerland

City

Penn State University

Educational Institution

Heidelberg

University location

West Village, Manhattan

Location of CIA safe houses.

Telegraph Hill, San Francisco

Site of Operation Midnight Climax.

Gaza Strip

Region

Books Mentioned

Tripped

Unknown

+3 more

Blitz: Drugs in the Third Reich

Unknown

Stone Sapiens

Unknown

+1 more

Blitzed

Norman Ohler

Notable Quotes

"Nazis really math, basically. first ones understand methamphetamine change war effort."

Discussing the role of drugs in the Nazi military strategy.

"I was surprised actually also use psychedelics, psychedelics totally new."

Sharing insights about the unexpected use of psychedelics by the Nazis.

"Like he, something came bloodstream. bit, know, tries later."

Discussing Hofmann's initial experience with LSD.

"Like secretary actually sitting typing would relate. great experience."

Describing the atmosphere in the intoxication room at Sandoz.

"LSD illegal? point onward, research intrepid, supposed called LSD mom."

Discussing the challenges of researching LSD for therapeutic use.

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