
Episode Transcript: #2322 - Rebecca Lemov
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All right, hello Rebecca.
Very nice to meet you.
Hi Joe, very nice to meet you too.
So, first of all, what got you interested in mind control?
Well, so this is a question I've been asking myself just because I find myself
after two and a half decades of having this topic.
That initially seemed pretty niche and unusual and not many people were interested
or many people were skeptical about it, but I thought it seemed like it embodied
some of the more extreme.
If you could look at the way people are shaped by their environments
and by what parts of your life are determined by you
and what parts are determined by outside forces,
that mind control would be a perfect area to investigate that
because it's so extreme, especially if you looked at particular cases.
Because I had done my dissertation at UC Berkeley on the history of behavioral engineering
and how these kind of models for creating a society of control
and encouragement in various ways, like a behaviorist kind of dream,