#2384 - Mark Kerr
Joe sits down with retired mixed martial artist and wrestler Mark Kerr. Kerr is the subject of the A24 feature film "The Smashing Machine," directed by Benny Safdie and starring Dwayne Johnson. Look for it in theaters on October 3, 2025.
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Key Takeaways
The film showcases the complexity of MMA beyond just fighting.
This insight broadens the audience's understanding of MMA culture.
Performance quality in MMA films can influence public perception.
Highlighting acting in sports films can enhance their legitimacy and appeal.
The film 'Foxcatcher' portrays significant historical events in MMA.
Understanding the film's accuracy sheds light on MMA's evolution and struggles.
Personal reflections on trust and authenticity in MMA contracts.
These reflections underscore the challenges fighters face in securing their careers.
Mentorship is vital in shaping successful MMA fighters.
Strong guidance from experienced coaches can elevate a fighter's skills.
Episode Timestamps
Joe Rogan Discusses MMA Movie and Its Performances
- Rogan praises the performances in a recent MMA-themed movie.
- He shares personal stories and connections to MMA's history.
- The conversation highlights the evolution of MMA and its athletes.
Discussion on MMA, Movies, and Personal Reflections
- The podcast discusses the accuracy of the film 'Foxcatcher' in depicting MMA.
- Highlights the evolution of trust in MMA contracts and personal experiences.
- Joe Rogan emphasizes the importance of historical fighters in modern MMA.
Exploring the Complexity of MMA and Wrestling Training
- MMA requires singular devotion, focusing intensely on technique and strategy.
- Mentorship plays a crucial role in developing skills in combat sports.
- The evolution of training methods significantly impacts fighter performance.
Evolving Strategies in MMA Training and Competition
- Nerves significantly affect fighters' ability to digest food before matches.
- Training evolution has drastically changed how fighters prepare for championship bouts.
- The integration of diverse fighting techniques has transformed MMA into a multifaceted sport.
UFC's Transformative Moments: From Struggles to Dominance
- The Ultimate Fighter was crucial in reviving UFC's popularity in 2005.
- Key fights showcased fighters' skills and elevated the sport's profile.
- Cardio and training evolution were emphasized as essential to success in MMA.
Wrestling Dominance and Cardio in MMA: A Deep Dive
- Wrestling skills are crucial for success in MMA competitions.
- Cardio and discipline are major factors distinguishing elite fighters.
- The gap in skill levels between fighters can be significant and challenging to overcome.
Exploring the Extreme Levels of Combat Sports and Financial Realities
- Discussed the extraordinary physical feats of elite athletes and their sacrifices.
- Highlighted the complex relationship between financial incentives and performance in MMA.
- Noted the evolution of training methods and recovery strategies in combat sports.
Exploring the Evolution of Martial Arts and MMA
- Discussion on Gene LeBell's brutal judo techniques and their impact.
- Insights on Hoist Gracie's influence in popularizing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
- Reflections on the importance of maintaining drive in martial arts training.
Exploring the Evolution and Challenges of MMA
- MMA has evolved significantly, overcoming early skepticism and organizational hurdles.
- The UFC faced financial struggles and regulatory challenges in its formative years.
- Finding elite fighters requires significant investment in training and facilities.
Exploring the Underdog Spirit in Sports and Personal Development
- Discussion on the underdog narrative in the Rocky film series.
- Significance of mental resilience in achieving success, illustrated by Buster Douglas.
- The importance of intention and dedication in training and personal growth.
Exploring Addiction, Recovery, and Self-Understanding
- The speaker reflects on early experiences with alcohol and addiction.
- Sobriety is framed as foundational to personal success and ethics.
- Insights about emotional energy and the impact of relationships on recovery are discussed.
Struggles with Addiction and Recovery in Fighters
- Discussion revolves around the impact of addiction on fighters' lives.
- Sobriety is highlighted as a path to clarity and personal growth.
- The effectiveness of alternative treatments like Ibogaine for addiction is explored.
Exploring the Intersection of Nature, Spirituality, and Combat Sports
- Discussion on the significance of chanting and spiritual practices in daily life.
- Insights into the importance of nature and its connection to wellness.
- Analysis of combat sports techniques and the evolution of fighters' strategies.
The Struggles and Insights of Competitive Fighters
- Fighters face unique emotional and psychological challenges post-competition.
- Finding small wins in daily life is crucial for mental health.
- Understanding personal identity beyond being a fighter is essential for recovery.
People Mentioned
Joe Rogan
MMA Commentator, Podcaster, Podcast Host
Benny
Undisputed Champion
George St. Pierre
MMA Fighter
Dan Gable
Wrestling Coach
John Jones
MMA Fighter
Aljamain Sterling
MMA Fighter
Hamzat Chimaev
MMA Fighter
Murab Dvalishvili
MMA Fighter
Dana White
UFC President
Frank Shamrock
MMA Fighter, Coach
Chuck Liddell
MMA Fighter, Champion
Kurt Angle
Professional Wrestler, Olympic Gold Medalist
David Goggins
Athlete, Author, Motivational Speaker
Gene LeBell
Martial artist, Judo practitioner
Hoist Gracie
MMA fighter, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner
Mark Coleman
MMA fighter, commentator
Tank Abbott
MMA Fighter
Pete Williams
MMA Fighter
Buster Douglas
Boxer
Unnamed Speaker
Individual sharing personal experiences with addiction
Rick Perry
Former Governor of Texas
Unnamed fighter
MMA Fighter
Duncan Trussell
Podcaster, Comedian
Fighters
Competitors in combat sports
Places Mentioned
Madison Square Garden
Event Venue
Vancouver
City
Japan
Country
New Jersey
State where UFC events were sanctioned.
Dothan, Alabama
Location where a UFC event was moved.
Los Angeles Dolby Sound Studios
Film Documentary Location
Notable Quotes
"Like saying, son, watched it, flipping out, like talking me, like side..."
Discussing his son's reaction to the movie's portrayal of MMA.
"There's always going to be a place for blockbuster movies."
Reflecting on the need for diverse storytelling in film.
"Like, fought Big Daddy Goodrich one MMA fight."
Discussing inaccuracies in the portrayal of MMA fights in the movie.
"Like, going place nobody even thought could get to."
Reflecting on personal achievements and the journey in MMA.
"It's almost impossible to pay attention to anything else at that level competing at."
Discussing the dedication required in MMA training.