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#2392 - John Kiriakou

155 minutesEpisode #2392

John Kiriakou is a former CIA counter-terrorism officer and the first U.S. official to confirm the agency's torture of detainees. Punished for being a whistleblower, he served nearly 2 years in a federal prison. www.johnkiriakou.com

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Key Takeaways

The CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques raises serious ethical concerns.

Understanding these tactics is crucial for moral considerations in national security.

Personal experiences highlight the conflict between duty and ethics within intelligence agencies.

These insights demonstrate the human impact of policy decisions on individuals.

The MKUltra program involved inhumane interrogation practices.

Understanding these practices sheds light on ethical issues in intelligence operations.

Many documents related to MKUltra have been destroyed, obscuring historical understanding.

This loss affects accountability and transparency regarding government actions.

Torture techniques authorized by the CIA caused more harm than intelligence gain.

This highlights the ethical failures and practical inefficiencies of torture.

Episode Timestamps

  • CIA's Enhanced Interrogation Techniques and Ethical Dilemmas

    • Discussion on the controversial CIA torture program post-9/11.
    • Insights into personal experiences of a CIA officer involved in counterterrorism.
    • Ethical implications of enhanced interrogation techniques were heavily debated.
  • Exploring CIA's MKUltra and Torture Techniques

    • Transcript discusses the CIA's MKUltra program and its controversial methods.
    • Waterboarding and drug experimentation were highlighted as extreme interrogation techniques.
    • The discussion hints at the lasting implications of such government programs.
  • Exploring the Ineffectiveness of Torture in Intelligence Gathering

    • CIA's torture techniques, including sleep deprivation, were ineffective and brutal.
    • FBI's traditional interrogation methods yielded actionable intelligence from Abu Zubaydah.
    • The discussion highlights the moral and ethical implications of torture practices.
  • Inside the Controversial World of CIA Torture Policies

    • CIA's torture of prisoners was officially sanctioned at the highest levels.
    • John Brennan faced scrutiny and charges related to his involvement in torture policies.
    • The discussion reveals a culture of over-criminalization within U.S. governance.
  • CIA Operations and Political Dynamics Post-9/11

    • The discussion highlights political maneuvering within the CIA during the Iraq War.
    • Senior CIA officials navigated their careers amidst rising tensions and retirements.
    • Interactions with foreign diplomats reveal complexities in intelligence and diplomacy.
  • Whistleblower's Journey Through Espionage Charges and Legal Battles

    • The speaker discusses being investigated and charged with espionage after whistleblowing.
    • Legal battles resulted in significant offers and eventual reduced sentencing.
    • The story highlights the impact of government actions on individual lives.
  • John Kiriakou's Legal Battle and Impact on National Security

    • Kiriakou discusses his struggles with the legal system and intelligence community.
    • He reflects on the political vendetta against him by the Obama administration.
    • Kiriakou's experiences reveal challenges faced by whistleblowers in the U.S.
  • Life After Whistleblowing: Challenges and New Beginnings

    • Transitioning from government work to independent writing and consulting.
    • The impact of personal experiences in prison on his worldview.
    • Building unexpected political alliances across party lines.
  • Tensions and Miscommunication in Prison Life

    • A prisoner navigates suspicion and threats from fellow inmates and authorities.
    • Miscommunications lead to serious consequences, including potential solitary confinement.
    • The complexities of relationships and politics within the prison system are highlighted.
  • Discussion on CIA, Pardon Efforts, and FBI Tactics

    • Mitchell Jessen's controversial CIA involvement and lack of prosecution highlighted.
    • Multiple high-profile individuals signed a pardon request for a controversial figure.
    • Concerns raised about FBI's infiltration tactics and radicalization of individuals.
  • Discussion on Government Actions and January 6th Incident

    • Podcast explores the role of federal informants during the January 6th events.
    • Critique of the legal consequences faced by individuals involved in January 6th.
    • Discussion on the narrative surrounding police deaths linked to the January 6th insurrection.
  • Critique of Law Enforcement and Political Manipulation

    • The discussion highlights concerns over the politicization of law enforcement actions.
    • Participants express skepticism about the integrity of the legal system.
    • The conversation touches on historical parallels with government secrecy and conspiracies.
  • Espionage Act and Historical Accountability in Politics

    • Espionage Act has a deep historical context related to political whistleblowing.
    • Barack Obama's promises regarding investigations into war crimes remain unfulfilled.
    • Current geopolitical dynamics reveal shifts in power and potential resolutions.
  • Israel's Political Turmoil and Global Dynamics Explored

    • Netanyahu faces immense unpopularity while navigating coalition government complexities.
    • China's strategic global positioning poses a significant threat to the U.S.
    • Social media manipulation and bots influence public discourse and perceptions.
  • John Kiriakou Discusses Whistleblowing and Intelligence Transparency

    • Kiriakou emphasizes the importance of government transparency in intelligence operations.
    • He shares personal experiences of surveillance and the psychological impact of whistleblowing.
    • The discussion critiques the reliability of AI-generated academic resources.
  • Discussion of propaganda laws and their implications on citizens

    • The NDAA and its implications for government propaganda were discussed extensively.
    • Concerns about American citizens being targeted by government propaganda were raised.
    • Populism was highlighted as a different perspective on government and its operations.
  • Discussion on geopolitical tensions and strategic communications

    • The role of the Internet in modern propaganda and information dissemination.
    • Concerns about Russia's military actions and potential outcomes in Ukraine.
    • Israel's influence on American politics and ongoing conflicts in the Middle East.
  • Insight into Lobbying and Foreign Influence in U.S. Politics

    • Discussion on the Foreign Agents Registration Act and its implications.
    • Personal anecdotes about lobbying experiences related to Israel.
    • Concerns about foreign influence on U.S. foreign policy decisions.

People Mentioned

Unnamed CIA officer

CIA counterterrorism operative

Abu Zubaydah

Terrorist suspect, Source of intelligence, Torture victim, Interrogation subject

+14 more

Ali Soufan

FBI agent

George Tenet

Former CIA Director

Robert Mueller

Former FBI Director

John Brennan

National Security Advisor, Former CIA Director

+2 more

Harvey Silverglate

Professor of Law

Jim Pavitt

Deputy Director Operations at CIA

John Kerry

Senator, Former Secretary of State, Former Secretary of State

John Kiriakou

Author, Journalist, Former CIA officer, Former CIA Officer, Whistleblower, Author, Consultant, Former Intelligence Officer, Whistleblower

+10 more

Peter Strzok

FBI Agent

John McCain

U.S. Senator

Tucker Carlson

Media Personality

Judge Napolitano

Media Personality

Unnamed inmate

Prisoner

Unnamed Taliban spokesman

Spokesperson

Mitchell Jessen

CIA Contractor

Tulsi Gabbard

Politician

Jim Gaffigan

Comedian

Barack Obama

Former President of the United States

Benjamin Netanyahu

Prime Minister of Israel

Ted Rall

Political cartoonist

+1 more

Places Mentioned

Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic

Medical facility

Eastern District Virginia

Court

FCI Loretto, Pennsylvania

Prison

Rhodes

Island

Loretto, Pennsylvania

Prison facility

Afghanistan

Country

University Salamanca

Educational Institution

Books Mentioned

Three Felonies a Day

Harvey Silverglate

Longhand Prison

John Kiriakou

Notable Quotes

"First of all, let's call a spade a spade. Said, torture program."

Discussing the nature of interrogation techniques.

"I turned down the training. Said, no, I don't want to be part of that."

Reflecting on a decision to refuse training in torture methods.

"Like, example, Abu Zubaydah, heart actually stopped waterboarding session."

Discussion about the severity of torture methods used.

"Nobody said going torture people. quit."

Reflecting on the moral implications of participating in the torture program.

"CIA authorized keep people awake 12 days."

Discussing the extreme measures taken in interrogation.

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