Episode Transcript: #282 - Peter Duesberg, Bryan Callen

incredibly intense subject to be researching there's a lot involved in understanding it so

understandably people rely on folks like you we rely on someone uh who has done the work and is a

is a professor and when we hear a guy like you saying that hiv doesn't cause aids that's like

it's very confusing there's i'm sure your life is filled with controversy i mean what what is a an

average day like for you as far as like hate mail do you get a lot of hate mail well i get a lot of

mail but hate is actually a minority really there's a lot of guys saying gee i always suspected something

is odd can you tell me can you explain me what should i do should i take antiviral drugs i feel

horrible and i give them answers my answers now and i tell them why i give these answers it's not

just now for people who don't understand your your argument i mean in a you know in a paraphrasing

sort of way is that it these it's it's illicit drug use it's like uh email nitrate and crystal meth

and that is what's destroying the immune systems of these people and then hiv shows up because their

immune system is diminished is that a fair assessment of it you are diminished or not it is just a chance

that you might be positive or not it's like with all microbes you know you can catch it or not

but of course if you are what they used to be they used to say at least the the first line of age

patients the gay person the gay guys they had hundreds of in in the gay liberation days hundreds

of dates and so that's like a micro microbe collection if you contact or get in contact

intimate contact whatever contact with lots of people you pick up what's available on the market

you see and that's they were my cope collectors so they had this micro but they had all others too

they had hepatitis b virus and they had chlamydia and they had so so hiv is a virus it's a virus it's