Episode Transcript: #477 - Dennis McKenna & Joshua Wickerham

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and josh wickerham josh is from the ethno but ethno botanical stewardship council one of the

you were the founders of that's right and what exactly does that mean for folks who have no idea

what ethno botanical or stewardship means a lot of people struggle with counsel or counsel

like you're counseling people on ethno botanical stewardship hmm imagine bringing that up at a

party yeah well the esc is dedicated to transforming lives through assuring the safety and sustainability

of traditional plants so that means uh trans transforming people's lives through experiences

with plants but it also means the sustainability of plants and the safety in their use so we're

starting with ayahuasca and uh iboga yeah you shouldn't start with like ferns people don't get

excited about uh it's hard to get eucalyptus you know people really don't get fired up about that

but ayahuasca anything involving tryptamines for folks who've experienced it it's something worth

saving exactly do you guys find it odd uh that in this day and age in 2014 the average person uh who

you would go up to to try to discuss these issues with would have no idea what you were talking about

actually i think over the last few years that's kind of changed uh ayahuasca is emerging into

mass consciousness and i think that's that's a good thing i would say 10 years ago 15 years ago if you

approach the average person on the street and they've said ayahuasca they'd look at you like you

had a speech impediment or what yeah but chances are people would recognize it now and not in necessarily