Episode Transcript: #782 - Rick Doblin

it's where there's a constant debate as to whether or not the headphones are the way to go

because the headphones are the only way that you can hear exactly what other people are going to

hear when they listen to the podcast so you can kind of like review it while it's happening like

and if only i wear headphones then it feels weird like i'm interviewing you yeah and it seems kind

of to focus my attention just on the yeah what i hear and yeah yeah welcome back man good to see you

yeah rick doblin from maps that's for whatever reason that acronym i always stumble with

multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies yes yeah and actually i was just um

yesterday with and today with ralph metzner and i got the name from him in a way he wrote a book

maps of consciousness oh and i needed a name for the organization that had a p in it

for psychedelic right and so i was looking around for words that had a p in it and maps and i really

liked what ralph did and with tim and around us and the rest and so i i thought maps it helps

you know explain a territory yeah well you guys are so important when it comes to the the dialogue

of psychedelics because from an outsider this is how i always viewed maps maps is always like oh those

are the actual really smart dudes who are into psychedelics because there's so many wacky fuckers

out there in the world of psychedelics they want to bring you crystals and talk to you about channeling

and i know a healer and there's so much going on that's so crazy and then there was science and then

there was people doing actual peer-reviewed studies there's actual scientists involved there was real data

and you guys were pursuing it the right way and i was like oh these guys are so important because

there's not a lot of people that that's one of the weird things about psychedelics you could tell