#786 - Wheeler Walker, Jr.

Episode Timestamps

• 00:00:00

  Wheeler Walker Jr. Breaks the Mold of Country Music Offense

  • Wheeler Walker Jr. discusses the pushback against his explicit style of country music and his ban from Nashville.
  • He reflects on the transformation of country music into a commercialized genre lacking authenticity.
  • Walker credits friends like Sturgill Simpson and producer Dave Cobb with helping him find his voice after years of struggle.
• 00:05:08

  The Rise of Wheeler Walker Jr. and His Unfiltered Country Approach

  • Despite initial doubts, Walker's unfiltered music gains immense popularity, debuting at number nine on the Billboard country charts.
  • Walker capitalizes on social media to spread his music, finding success against the backdrop of mainstream country.
  • He shares humorous anecdotes about his experiences with fans and the absurdities of navigating modern music promotion.
• 00:10:11

  Sturgill Simpson's Dual Life: From Country Star to Alleged CIA Operative

  • The narrator discusses the upcoming tour of Sturgill Simpson, describing impressive venues and his recent album release.
  • He shares a personal anecdote about collaborating with Grammy-winning producer Dave Cobb and the high-caliber musicians involved.
  • The narrator speculates comically on Sturgill's past in the Navy, suggesting he may be a government assassin, leading to a rift in their friendship.
• 00:17:26

  Challenging Mainstream Country: The Artistic Integrity of Sturgill Simpson and Shooter Jennings

  • The narrator contrasts the authenticity of artists like Sturgill and Shooter Jennings with the formulaic nature of mainstream country music.
  • He praises the creative freedom these artists have, stating they express their true selves unlike the 'canned' popular music.
  • Exploring themes of artistic integrity, he critiques the music industry’s focus on commercial success over genuine artistry.
• 00:19:25

  Sturgill Simpson's Bold Move: Releasing Country Music via Pornhub

  • Sturgill Simpson reflects on the unconventional journey of his podcast and music career.
  • Simpson emphasizes the importance of word-of-mouth and social media for music promotion.
  • He shares his experience of streaming his album for free on Pornhub, challenging traditional music release methods.
• 00:27:54

  Sturgill Simpson Takes a Stand Against Pop Country with Florida Georgia Line Feud

  • Simpson criticizes the mainstream pop country sound exemplified by Florida Georgia Line.
  • He recounts a Twitter feud with the duo, highlighting the divide in country music styles.
  • Simpson argues for authenticity in songwriting, expressing frustration over the industry's formulaic approach.
• 00:29:37

  Wheeler Walker Jr. Dissects the Fake Glamor of Florida Georgia Line

  • Wheeler Walker Jr. critiques Florida Georgia Line's diamond-encrusted dog tags and their representation of country music.
  • He expresses disdain for pop-country's departure from authentic storytelling, suggesting it's a marketing scheme.
  • Walker reflects on how modern country music reinforces stereotypes and diminishes the genre's roots.
• 00:36:35

  The Struggle of Authentic Country Music: Wheeler Walker Jr. vs. Nashville's Pop Machine

  • Walker asserts that Nashville's music industry exploits cultural appropriation and promotes superficiality in country music.
  • He contrasts contemporary artists with legends like Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash, emphasizing the need for authenticity.
  • Wheeler shares his vow to remain true to his roots, refusing to censor his music for commercial success.
• 00:40:10

  Louis CK's Bold Move: Funding 'Horace and Pete' Independently

  • Louis CK finances his show 'Horace and Pete' entirely on his own, selling directly from his website.
  • The discussion emphasizes the risks and rewards of self-funding creative projects.
  • The speaker reflects on the struggles of musicians with major labels, sharing personal experiences with producers and the music industry.
• 00:46:51

  The Evolution of Music Distribution: From Vinyl to iTunes and Amazon

  • The speaker recounts the challenges of accessing music in small towns before the rise of digital platforms.
  • He highlights the shift in music sales, noting that over 80% of his albums sold are now through online platforms.
  • The conversation covers the mystery and excitement of discovering new music in the past compared to the instant access provided today.
• 00:50:17

  Howard Stern's Shift to Satellite Radio: Free Speech vs. Censorship

  • Discussion on Howard Stern's transition to satellite radio and the freedom it provided from censorship.
  • Mention of incidents where Stern faced fines from the FCC, highlighting the challenges he faced for his comedic style.
  • Reflections on the audience's preference for uncensored content and the changing landscape of media consumption.
• 00:57:00

  The Heavy Cost of Comedy: Howard Stern's Legal Battles and Political Criticism

  • Overview of Stern's significant fines over the years, particularly during the Bush administration.
  • Insight into how Stern's willingness to critique political policies made him a target for the government?
  • Comparison between Stern's era and modern political candidates, emphasizing transparency in earnings.
• 00:59:13

  Larry Flint's Fight for Free Speech: The Supreme Court Case Against Jerry Falwell

  • Larry Flint, the founder of Hustler magazine, fought against censorship and for First Amendment rights.
  • The Supreme Court case centered around a satire that claimed Jerry Falwell had sex with his mother in an outhouse.
  • Flint’s willingness to take the case to the Supreme Court underscored the importance of protecting freedom of speech in contentious, often offensive contexts.
• 01:08:24

  The Cultural Ripple of Flint’s Victory: How One Case Shaped Modern Media

  • Larry Flint's Supreme Court victory has lasting implications for modern media, allowing parody and free expression.
  • The discussion highlights how Flint's battle paved the way for comedians and satirists like Howard Stern and shows like SNL.
  • The case is compared to the ongoing struggles for free speech, suggesting that the accessibility of uncensored content today is rooted in Flint's fight.
• 01:13:47

  Iggy Pop's Enduring Legacy: Shaving, Glitter, and Rock 'n' Roll

  • Discussion about men's grooming habits and the humorous side of body hair.
  • Mention of wrestler Georgy Ketoev, likening his hairiness to that of a gorilla.
  • Recollection of Iggy Pop's stage antics, including glitter use and his remarkable performances.
• 01:56:12

  Queens of the Stone Age: Breaking Indie Boundaries with Iggy Pop

  • Queens of the Stone Age's unique sound and their partnership with Iggy Pop on new records.
  • Insights on Iggy's energetic performances and his health regimen at almost 70.
  • Reflections on the evolution of the music industry and the challenges artists face on tour.
• 01:13:47

  Hunter S. Thompson's Influence on the Kentucky Derby and American Culture

  • Discussion on how horse racing, particularly the Kentucky Derby, highlights the prominence of owners like Hunter S. Thompson's commentary on the decadence of the event.
  • Reference to Thompson's famous work, 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas', and how it captures the essence of the 1970s societal shifts.
  • Johnny Depp's portrayal of Thompson in the film adaptation is noted for its accuracy and reflection of the author's chaotic lifestyle and insights.
• 02:20:58

  Advancements in Medical Recovery: From Hunter S. Thompson to Paul George's Comeback

  • Comparison between Thompson's struggles with health issues due to alcohol and his late career decline to modern advancements in hip replacement surgeries.
  • Discussion of Paul George's horrific leg injury and remarkable comeback, showcasing technological progress in sports medicine.
  • Highlighting the changing perceptions of recovery and rehabilitation in athletes and how modern medicine offers new hope for serious injuries.
• 00:00:00

  Ben's Betrayal: A Musician's Dilemma

  • Musician expresses frustration over Ben not paying for music and appearance.
  • Narrator describes a humorous and outrageous concert experience involving antics with the audience.
  • Discussion of provocative themes in music, including controversial lyrics and performance style.
• 00:56:00

  From Near Retirement to Unexpected Success: A Journey in Music

  • Initial plans to quit music are overshadowed by surprising album success and fan interest.
  • The musician shares the impact of creating raw, uncensored music on his career.
  • Humorous anecdotes about merchandise and fan interactions highlight the musician's self-awareness and approach to his audience.
• 01:13:47

  Sacha Baron Cohen: The Creative Genius Behind Irreverent Comedy

  • Discussion of Sacha Baron Cohen's unconventional style and his previous works, including 'Borat' and 'Bruno'.
  • Highlights his Oscars appearance where he unexpectedly included a comedic bit using his character.
  • Mention of Cohen receiving the Charlie Chaplin award for greatness in comedy, showcasing his impact on the industry.
• 01:53:12

  Navigating Modern Entertainment: Authenticity Over Approval

  • The speaker shares insights on the changing attitudes towards artists who 'don't give a fuck' about societal expectations.
  • Discussion on the success of music made for personal enjoyment rather than commercial gain, reflecting on Billboard chart performance.
  • Comments on the response from fans and critics regarding explicit content in country music, emphasizing triumph over traditional norms.
• 01:10:07

  Wheeler Walker Jr. Dares Country Music Norms with Bold Lyrics and Humor

  • Wheeler Walker Jr. expresses love for country music but criticizes mainstream trends that dilute its authenticity.
  • His songs explore explicit themes openly, contrasting with sanitized lyrics from major artists like Florida Georgia Line.
  • Walker emphasizes that his music is for adults, challenging the industry to own its content and target the appropriate audience.
• 01:56:12

  Wheeler Walker Jr.'s Journey: From Custom Nudie Suits to Coachella Controversy

  • Walker shares the significance of his Nudie shirt, crafted by Nudie's Rodeo Tailors, symbolizing his deep connection to country culture.
  • He humorously comments on the absurdity of country music's evolution and his desire to provoke reactions from both fans and critics.
  • Amidst Coachella controversy, Walker plans to embrace his unique brand during performances, aiming to challenge mainstream perceptions.
• 01:13:47

  Revolutionizing Country Music: The Unconventional Rise of the Unknown Artist

  • The speaker details their commitment to authenticity in music, insisting it must come from a 'real place'.
  • Mainstream music executives are now seeking out the speaker due to the unexpected success of their independent music.
  • The speaker stresses the importance of maintaining creative freedom and integrity over financial gain, calling for an exit from the mainstream’s demands.
• 01:56:12

  Behind the Curtain: Insights from Musicians on the Shifting Landscape of Mainstream Media

  • The speaker describes the decline of traditional media platforms like 'The Tonight Show' as effective promotional tools for musicians.
  • They share anecdotes about famous artists who now refuse to publicly support newer music trends due to fear of backlash from their fans.
  • The conversation touches on the changing economics of music promotion, highlighting how costly appearances on mainstream shows may no longer yield significant returns.
• 01:13:47

  Ace Frehley and the Disco Era: Musical Transformations and Controversies

  • Discussion of the individual solo albums from KISS members, particularly highlighting Ace Frehley's 'Back in the New York Groove'.
  • Exploration of KISS's transition into disco with songs like 'I Was Made for Lovin' You', drawing mixed reactions from critics and fans.
  • A conversation on how musical tastes have evolved over time, including a defense of the Bee Gees' contributions during the disco era.
• 01:30:50

  Waylon Jennings and Shooter: The Legacy of Outlaw Country Music

  • Analysis of Waylon Jennings' influence on country music and the outlaw movement, including mention of notable songs and albums.
  • Shooter Jennings' contemporary take on music and the challenges faced by artists in maintaining authenticity in a changing industry.
  • Reflections on the transformation of Nashville from a small town into a major music hub, emphasizing how this impacts the country genre.
• 01:36:34

  Wheeler Walker Jr. and the Gentrification of East Nashville

  • Discussion about the fast change in East Nashville, transforming from slums to an expensive neighborhood.
  • Wheeler Walker Jr. reminisces about his experiences at Zaney's comedy club a decade ago and compares it to current developments.
  • Mention of notable artists Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson, highlighting their authentic music amidst a wave of copycat musicians.
• 01:42:01

  Wheeler Walker Jr. on Music Ownership and Authenticity

  • Wheeler stresses the importance of owning one's music, sharing his experience in the music industry.
  • The conversation touches upon the impact of profanity in country music, with Walker Jr.'s album noted for charting with explicit language.
  • Wheeler Walker Jr. engages in playful banter about his music influences and comparisons to others in the industry.