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#2338 - Beth Shapiro

187 minutesEpisode #2338

Beth Shapiro, Ph.D., is an evolutionary molecular biologist and Chief Science Officer at Colossal Biosciences. She’s also the author of “Life as We Made It: How 50,000 Years of Human Innovation Refined―and Redefined―Nature.”

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Key Takeaways

Innovation in ancient DNA research is often met with resistance.

Understanding the pushback helps contextualize the challenges faced by scientists.

Communication skills are vital for scientists to share their discoveries.

Effective communication can bridge gaps between science and public understanding.

Mosquitoes in Alaska pose a significant challenge for outdoor activities.

Understanding local wildlife is crucial for safety and enjoyment in nature.

Living a subsistence lifestyle can lead to unexpected happiness.

This challenges modern assumptions about happiness and fulfillment.

Living with indigenous cultures offers profound insights into human resilience.

Understanding their way of life reveals valuable lessons about sustainability and adaptation.

Episode Timestamps

  • Exploring Ancient DNA: Science, Controversy, and Innovation

    • Discussion on the challenges of ancient DNA research and academic pushback.
    • Personal journey from broadcast journalism to paleogenomics and scientific communication.
    • Emphasis on the importance of innovation and fighting negativity in academia.
  • Experiences of Mosquitoes and Life in Northern Alaska

    • The harsh conditions of Alaska include aggressive mosquitoes during summer months.
    • Exploration of life in Siberian Taiga highlights contrasting lifestyles and happiness.
    • Challenges faced during helicopter expeditions in remote regions of Siberia.
  • Adventures in the Wilderness: Encounters with Indigenous Cultures

    • The discussion highlights unique experiences living with the Dolgon community.
    • Medical ethanol shortage led to humorous and challenging moments during the expedition.
    • Insights into the subsistence lifestyle of reindeer herders in extreme environments.
  • Exploring the Mysteries and Complexities of the Amazon Rainforest

    • The Amazon rainforest harbors uncontacted tribes with sophisticated survival skills.
    • Modern civilization's impact threatens indigenous communities and their environments.
    • Scientific advances in DNA research reveal ancient civilizations previously unknown.
  • Exploring Ancient DNA and the Evolutionary History of Humans

    • Discussion on the extraction and significance of ancient DNA from Neanderthals.
    • Insights into recent findings about human evolution and extinct species.
    • Humorous anecdotes surrounding dangerous animal encounters and their implications.
  • Discussion on De-extinction and Ecological Responsibility

    • Video games are increasingly addictive, impacting youth engagement with the outdoors.
    • The controversial topic of de-extinction raises ethical concerns about ecological balance.
    • Florida's invasive species crisis illustrates the complexities of managing nature.
  • Wildlife Encounters and Genetic Rescues in Florida

    • The dangers of alligators in Florida are humorously highlighted through anecdotes.
    • Genetic diversity is crucial for the survival of endangered species like red wolves.
    • Introduced species often lead to ecological disasters, as shown by historical examples.
  • Congress Discusses the Historical Proposal of Hippo Importation

    • A congressional proposal aimed at importing hippos for meat production failed.
    • Teddy Roosevelt supported the idea, but it never passed a vote.
    • Discussion included modern implications of invasive species like hippos in Colombia.
  • Exploring the implications of de-extinction and ecological balance

    • Discussing the reintroduction of apex predators like dire wolves to ecosystems.
    • Highlighting the scientific advancements in DNA manipulation for species revival.
    • Considering the ecological and societal consequences of such rewilding efforts.
  • Discussion on Species Concepts and Fossil Discoveries

    • Species concepts vary based on scientific purpose and context in paleontology.
    • Fossil findings in Dawson City reveal insights about ancient bison species.
    • Gold mining activities inadvertently uncover significant paleontological materials.
  • The Fascinating History of Mammoths and American Identity

    • Thomas Jefferson's fascination with mammoths reflects American identity and pride.
    • The concept of extinction challenged religious beliefs during the 18th century.
    • Modern genetics reveals surprising connections between humans and ancient species.
  • Exploring Neanderthal DNA and Hybrid Species Concepts

    • The Neanderthal genome comprises about 93% of our DNA today.
    • Hybrid species like beefalo illustrate complexities in species classification.
    • Understanding genetic mutations can define what makes us human.
  • New Discoveries Challenge Understanding of Human Evolution

    • Recent findings of ancient DNA are reshaping our understanding of human history.
    • Evidence suggests horses may have survived in North America longer than previously believed.
    • New discoveries challenge established timelines and models of human migration.
  • Exploring Genetic Ancestry and De-extinction Technologies

    • Discussion on extinct species and genetic mutations like Gigantopithecus and Neanderthals.
    • The potential and ethical concerns regarding de-extinction technologies and conservation.
    • The implications of using AI in wildlife management and species rewilding efforts.
  • Exploring North America's Extinct Megafauna and DNA Revival

    • Discussion centers around North America's extinct megafauna and their potential revival.
    • Environmental DNA is crucial for understanding ancient species and their habitats.
    • Humorous insights into the characteristics of extinct animals like the short-faced bear.
  • Discussion on California Bears and Cultural Significance

    • The conversation highlights the unique history and significance of California bears.
    • DNA sequencing of bears shows their genetic relationship to other species.
    • The humorous side of bears interacting with humans is explored.
  • Exploration of Bigfoot and Human-Animal Interactions

    • Discussion of Bigfoot sightings and their cultural significance among Native Americans.
    • Examination of prehistoric humans and their adaptation to environments.
    • Insights into dog domestication and its historical context with humans.
  • Exploring the Future of Biotechnology and Ethical Dilemmas

    • Advancements in organoid technology promise personalized medicine and de-extinction possibilities.
    • Concerns raised about funding politics and groupthink in scientific research.
    • Ethical implications of gene editing and potential for creating 'superhumans' discussed.

People Mentioned

Beth

Podcast Host

Werner Herzog

Film Director, Filmmaker

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Dolgon community members

Indigenous reindeer herders

Paul Rosalie

Environmental Protector

Svante Pääbo

Nobel Prize-winning scientist

Rudy Giuliani

Public figure

Khaleesi

Fictional character reference, Dire wolf pup

+5 more

Teddy Roosevelt

Former U.S. President

Ben

Paleogeneticist

Thomas Jefferson

Founding Father, Natural Historian

Georges Cuvier

Naturalist, Paleontologist

Bud Basolo

Breeder, Entrepreneur

Jesse Michaels

Podcaster, Discussant

Luke Caverns

Podcaster, Discussant

Joe Rogan

Podcast Host

Jiang Ke

Scientist

Places Mentioned

Siberia

Geographic location

+2 more

Iqpikpuk River

Geographical location

Taiga River

Geographical location

Dolgon community

Indigenous settlement

Amazon rainforest

Geographical location

Komodo Island

Natural habitat

Florida

State known for ecological issues

+6 more

Colombia

Country

Colorado

State

+2 more

Calabasas

Urban area

Dawson City

Historical gold mining town

+2 more

Fairbanks

City near significant fossil finds

Peru

Country

Canada

Country

White Sands, New Mexico

Location

California

State

+3 more

San Francisco

City

Pacific Northwest

Geographical Region

Books Mentioned

Lost City Z

David Grann

Whole Earth Catalog

Stewart Brand

Life Made It, 50,000 Years Human Innovation Refined Redefined Nature

Beth Shapiro

Notable Quotes

"There's a big scarcity mindset in academia."

Discussing the negative atmosphere in the academic community.

"Get attention, means can't get attention."

Highlighting the paradox of visibility in scientific fields.

"People keep telling there's mosquitoes. full shit. There's mosquitoes here, right?"

Discussion on the reality of mosquitoes in Alaska.

"That's what's weird. like people hard life, yet always smiling good time."

Reflections on the happiness of subsistence living people in Siberia.

"sudden three dudes show outside tent machine guns. Right. thinking, everybody's thinking, fuck?"

Describing a surprising encounter with armed locals.

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