#1605 - Mark Smith

Episode Timestamps

• 00:00:00

  Refereeing in MMA and the Importance of Fighter Safety

  • Discussion about the challenging role of a referee in MMA
  • Emphasis on the critical decision-making process in stopping fights at the right time
  • Consideration of fighter safety as the top priority in officiating MMA matches
• 00:02:17

  Experiences as a Fighter Pilot and UFO Sightings

  • Anecdotes about working at Nellis Air Force Base and experiences as an aggressor pilot
  • Conversation about UFO sightings and encounters with advanced aircraft technology
  • Reflections on the F22 Raptor as the top aircraft for air superiority
• 00:09:06

  Fighter Pilots and Aircraft Capabilities

  • Discussion about the mindset and philosophy of fighter pilots being confident and superior
  • Exploration of the advanced capabilities and maneuverability of modern fighter planes
  • Importance of fuel management and endurance during combat missions
• 00:12:50

  Dealing with G-Forces and Pilot Physics

  • Explanation of G-suits and their function to counter the effects of high G-forces
  • Personal anecdotes about experiencing G-Forces and the physical effects on the body
  • Overview of technologies and physical conditioning required for pilots to handle acceleration and sustain during missions
• 00:17:26

  Pilots Testing and Physical Requirements

  • Discussion on the precautions taken to ensure no energy is directed towards the crowd during air shows
  • Insight into the physical strain and requirements faced by pilots such as full nose down trim
  • Selection process for Thunderbirds team members including strength tests and mentioning of female pilots on the team
• 00:19:13

  Space Exploration and Military Aircraft

  • Conversation on the Space Force and its necessity
  • A brief on space exploration plans like going to Mars and the past achievements in space missions
  • Reflection on NASA's historical methods, changes in technology, and the cancelled space shuttle program
• 00:26:24

  Space Exploration and International Collaboration

  • Discussion on the space race between the USA and Russia, focusing on NASA's achievements in landing on the moon
  • Anecdotes about fake footage and recreated scenes related to space missions
  • Insights into the collaborative efforts between the USA and Russia for space travel and training programs
• 00:29:09

  Space Travel Experiences and Earth's Curvature

  • Account of personal experiences visiting Russian space facilities and interacting with Russian astronauts
  • Observations on astronaut training procedures and celebratory customs within the space community
  • Details about reaching high altitudes in fighter jets, witnessing the curvature of the Earth, and challenging flat Earth beliefs
• 00:36:30

  In-flight Security Procedures and Passenger Compliance

  • Discussion about in-flight security procedures to prevent cockpit intrusions
  • Anecdote about a passenger who refused to comply with safety instructions
  • Importance of passenger compliance and the responsibility of all individuals in ensuring a safe flight
• 00:40:54

  Traveling During the Pandemic and Unusual Protective Gear

  • Experience of traveling amid the pandemic with heightened safety measures
  • Conversation about unconventional protective gear such as HEPA filter helmets
  • Observations on airport security protocols regarding masks and face coverings
• 00:43:52

  Transition from Fighter Pilot to MMA Referee

  • Joe Rogan discusses his journey from being a fighter pilot to becoming an MMA referee
  • Details about his training and transition from judging to refereeing in amateur fights
  • Getting licensed in Nevada and progressing to officiate UFC fights with guidance from mentors like Herb Dean and John McCarthy
• 00:50:09

  Rise to Officiating UFC Fights

  • Reflecting on handling significant UFC fights like Cubs-Wanson, Kevin Holland versus Jacare, and Tony Ferguson versus Olivera
  • Discussing the guidance received, the proficiency gained, and the transition to focus solely on refereeing
  • Emphasizing the importance of understanding fighters' strengths and ensuring safety during fights, showcasing admiration for Kevin Holland's skills
• 00:53:12

  In-Octagon Safety Practices and Referee Responsibilities

  • Discussion about the importance of ensuring fighter safety after being knocked out
  • Implementation of a system allowing a coach to be present with the doctor to calm down knocked out fighters
  • Examples of incidents where referees had to make tough decisions for fighter safety, like stopping fights with serious injuries
• 00:54:53

  Referee Decision-making and Fight Stoppage Criteria

  • Insight into the thought process behind when to stop a fight, especially in terms of submissions
  • Clarification on the criteria for stopping a submission, including dislocation, separation, or verbal submissions
  • Anecdotes involving famous fight stoppages and fighters showcasing extreme resilience
• 01:02:24

  Rules and Regulations in UFC Refereeing

  • Discussion about the introduction of instant replay in UFC fights and the evolution of its use
  • Exploration of the challenges faced by referees when determining the continuation of fights after fouls
  • Explanation of the referee's role in ensuring fair play and making subjective calls during matches
• 01:09:40

  Refereeing at UFC Events and Schedule Assignments

  • Insight into the process of referee assignments for UFC fights, especially title bouts
  • Description of the pre-fight meetings and the protocols maintained by referees before matches at the Apex facility
  • Reflection on the impact of fighting in an audience-less venue and the advantages it offers for the officials and fighters
• 01:10:44

  Intense Fight Environment without Audience

  • Description of the unique experience of watching fights with no audience present
  • Insight into the impact of the absence of audience noise on fighters and observers
  • Discussion on the audio perception differences between fights with and without an audience
• 01:15:12

  Refereeing High-Stakes UFC Fights

  • Anecdotes and insights into the intensity and challenges of being the referee in UFC bouts
  • Discussion on critical decision-making moments during fights and fighter safety
  • Sharing experiences of handling difficult situations and maintaining professionalism as a referee
• 01:20:36

  Impact of UFC in the Middle of Pandemic

  • Discussion on the significant impact of UFC in leading the return of live sports during the pandemic
  • Exploration of the safety protocols implemented by UFC for athletes and officials
  • Joe Rogan discusses the role of proper nutrition, rest, recovery, and monitoring in preparation for fights
• 01:25:42

  Overcoming a Vocal Cord Injury and Preparation Routine

  • Personal anecdote about overcoming a vocal cord injury and the challenges faced during recovery
  • Discussion on the changes in voice post-injury and ongoing efforts for recovery
  • Insight into Joe Rogan's preparation routine involving nutrition, supplements, and the use of innovative tools like the TempTraq
• 01:29:07

  Mental and Physical Preparation for Refereeing Fights

  • Discussion on the mental and physical fatigue experienced after refereeing big fights
  • Importance of proper warm-up routine for referees to prevent injuries during fights
  • Anecdotes of incidents where referees got hurt during fights and the protocol followed
• 01:30:10

  Training and Skill Development for Referees in UFC and Bellator

  • Exploration of the professional training and skill development needed for refereeing fights
  • Importance of fitness, education, and understanding fighting techniques for referees
  • Challenges faced by referees and the need for proficiency in judging both stand-up and ground fighting
• 01:37:40

  Importance of Training for Judges and Referees in MMA

  • Discussion on the lack of understanding among some judges and referees in the past
  • Emphasis on the need for proper training and starting at the grassroots level
  • Transition of former fighters into refereeing or judging roles and the required proficiency
• 01:40:48

  Professionalism and Ethical Considerations in Refereeing and Judging

  • Managing friendships with fighters and maintaining professionalism in the field
  • Collaboration with commissions and transparency about past training experiences
  • Progression towards championship fights and the significance of confidence and proficiency
• 01:46:47

  Dominance in UFC and Future Fights

  • Discussion on Amanda Nunes' dominance as a two-division champion in UFC
  • Preview of upcoming fights and the high level of competition in the UFC
  • Exploration of fighters like Tyron Woodley, Gilbert Burns, and their skill sets
• 01:52:37

  Referee's Dilemma and Fighter Safety

  • Insight into the decision-making process of a referee during fights
  • Importance of considering fighter history and potential long-term impact on health
  • Discussion on the longevity of fighters' careers and the referee's role in ensuring safety
• 01:56:56

  Analyzing Fight Strategies and Training Approach

  • Discussion on different fighting styles of opponents like Colby Covington and Nick Diaz
  • Comparison of fighting strategies in different scenarios - relating it to being a fighter pilot
  • Practice approach to understand various fighting techniques through training and real-life experiences
• 01:58:09

  Referee's Perspective on Submissions and Fight Stoppages

  • Explanation of unique submissions like Von Flu choke and the challenges in identifying them
  • Training methods for understanding fighter's limits during submissions and potential injuries
  • Importance of differentiating between verbal and non-verbal submission cues in fights
• 02:05:21

  Importance of Recognizing Injuries and Impact on Fight

  • Discussion on how referees analyze fighters' stances and responses to kicks to assess potential injuries
  • Anecdote about a fight involving Sean O'Malley and the need for referee intervention due to a foot injury
  • Consideration of scenarios where fighters are unable to maintain a standing posture due to lower leg kicks
• 02:08:12

  Impact of Calf Kicks on Fighter Strategy and Referee Decision Making

  • Exploration of the dominance of calf kicks in MMA and their strategic impact on fighters
  • Discussion on the need for fighters to adjust game plans due to calf kicks
  • Insight into referee protocols for assessing injuries such as potential broken hands and making decisions in consultation with medical staff
• 02:14:07

  Unexpected Challenges in UFC Fights

  • Discussion on the challenges faced when fighters have unexpected incidents like defecating in the ring
  • Anecdotes of fighters experiencing bathroom emergencies during fights
  • Reflection on the impact of such incidents on event management and fighter experiences
• 02:16:19

  Journey of Accomplishments and Overcoming Doubters

  • Narrative of the speaker's academic achievements and career progression from a military background to being a Thunderbird pilot
  • Recounting a transformative moment where being told he wouldn't succeed fueled his motivation
  • Reflections on discipline, proficiency, and success gained from military background and experiences as a UFC referee
• 02:24:15

  Flight Simulation and Training in the Air Force

  • Discussion about flight simulation machines and practice in the Air Force
  • Emphasis on hand-eye coordination and looking outside during flights
  • Description of performance capabilities and training in close formation flying
• 02:28:17

  Air Show Performances and Training for Perfection

  • Air shows as primary recruiting tools and instilling faith in the military
  • Training regimen for air show performances from November to March
  • Emphasis on striving for perfection, appearance, and dedication in the Thunderbirds
• 02:34:17

  Changes in the Thunderbirds Team and Flying Demonstrations

  • Pilot error led to a team member being removed from the Thunderbirds
  • Team operated with 5 instead of 6 planes after the incident, modifying formations
  • Annual hiring process maintains consistency on the team
• 02:35:41

  White House Fellowship and Insights on Presidential Interactions

  • Detailed process for becoming a Thunderbird pilot and the qualifications required
  • Description of the White House Fellowship program and duties as a senior advisor at NASA
  • Experience of meeting President George W. Bush and discussions on leadership and future candidates
• 02:44:18

  Life in the Air Force and Aircraft Testing

  • Discussion about experiences in the Air Force and personal relationships within the professional environment
  • Insights into the role of pilots in testing new aircraft and the process of design improvements based on pilot feedback
  • Overview of budget constraints and decision-making regarding the production and purchase of military aircraft
• 02:48:31

  Physical Limitations and Training in Fighter Pilots

  • Exploration of the physical challenges faced by fighter pilots due to high G-forces and maneuvering in three dimensions
  • Description of the training and testing required for fighter pilots to withstand G-forces during combat scenarios
  • Insights into the centrifuge training process and its importance in preparing fighter pilots for combat missions